Thank you so much! I wish I had written it first!! The whole accident/cell thing is so true. How was the cell made if there wasn't anything to make it? Our bodies are so complex. How could we possibly be an accident?! Your four points are great! There is so much to prove the Bible right, and nothing that I know of to prove any other theory right. The markings on an animal are different for every one, is that an accident? Are leaves and grass accidents? The idea that all these things are here just because of an explosion is stupid! The only thing I've ever known an explosion to do, is destroy, not create. I can't believe with the amount of Christians on this site, that there haven't been more comments! Great paper!!

"Inconceivable!!"-Vizzini

Do you believe in love? You cannot see it. you cannot feel it. you can't here or taste or smell it. If you were asked to prove that you loved somebody you could not. But it is there. God is there and you can feel his presence just like love nobody can take that away from you.

god still isn't real in my opinion

He doesn’t force His absolute truth on us.
He lets us decide, though He wishes that everyone would love Him like He loves you.
He wants our answer to be Genuine, a good reason also he doesn’t force His Absolute Truth on us. He cares even though you don’t. Like someone who was in great trouble a loving friend would still be there to help, and to love, even if the person in trouble didn’t except. Same with God He loves you even when you are not doing the right thing, are in trouble, or are following the wrong path. In the same way God will still love us when we are on the wrong path, not doing the right thing, or in a great trouble. God is Love.
“1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

 So I am currently struggling between Atheism and Christianity. You state that if we believe  in air, when we can't see it... But we know air is there. We know what it looks like. We know what a vacuum devoid of air looks like. You say that there is a punishment for those who don't repent. What about the atheist who lives out there whole lives according to Christian laws. They don't have pre-marital sex, they follow the basic moral code of nearly every religion(because in reality the Ten Commandments aren't that different from The Five Precepts), the spend their lives devoted to a cause or helping the poor. Does this mean they will be punished because they're atheist not because they want to live an immoral life devoid of rules but rather they just don't believe in a higher power?

2. There is a whole book based on God (Jesus), His disciples, the world, evil, and good. 

Really?

There are also many books about fairies and elves and science journals about dinosaurs and about the irrational bias of the human brain: it has been evolutionarily advantageous for humans to find causation in the world. A failure to recognise the limitation of human intuitve understanding of probability is a simple and verifiable phenomenon. Thus the capacity for belief in {insert irrational superstition here} as causing existance has evolved in our species. 

Put simply; there is no place for rationality in religion/ there is nothing rational about religion. 

I really, really hope this post and all the comments are jokes. This is just terrible.

I believe that god exist yet the bible which is to be the foundation of so truth is not strong enough. The bible is but the perspective of a race of people there history their struggles their beliefs. Like all civilizations they begin with myths helping to explain that which they are ignorant of and progress into actual events which can be found as possibly actually happening. For god to be able to see all things to come and see the molestations, rapes, wars, disease, famine, and abuse to humanity and not scratch creation would make god an evil scientist seeking only pleasure in observement instead of a loving creator.

All the arguments for 'God is real' are so ridiculous.
half the teachings and storys in christianity are metaphorical, so why shouldent i believe God and Jesus is meaphorical.

-just simply because science hasent figured out the answers to every thing(how the universe started, what happens and how etc.) dosent mean you can fill in the holes with religion, putting a divine power figure to it just makes it more complex.

-Jesus was a bad man in his time, the majority of people who followed him where outcasts aswell, thats why he was killed, because he was disturbing the way of life, whatever if may have been.

- if god came to earth via jesus, why did he do it to a random bunch of Jews? Why hasent he come in greater times of need?

- god never asked for all these religions to be created, just remember that jesus was a jew, and christianity wasent started by jesus, so all the rules and rituals had to be made up at by a human even if they where based on gods way.

- there is no proof god exists, all past encounters are very open and where most likely metaphorical as most things in the bible are metaphorical as they are not scientifically possible.

- adam and eve is a metaphorical story, proving another flaw in christianitys belief that god created everything.

-Most people are told at a young age that god is real, so of course they will believe it, the cycle goes on.its like eating meat, when your born you dont have to eat meat, you adapt to it because you are fed it and dont know any better. The same thing applies with religion.

-as people grow up they can make up there mind about god, but most are just forced into believing in god because of family, community, lack of knowledge and are mostly afraid that if they dont believe in god, nothing or something bad will happen when they die.

-there are many gods, i dont know how many but there are alot! How are you so sure that your god is the one and only god? What if a budist god is the only god? Or maybe allah is? Religons are formed by different groups of people, all with different idea's, how do you know that what your relgion practices is any more correct then what another religion practices, yet you dont practice what they practice, so you could be being misguided if what they practice is 'actually correct' by what (if there is one) god says

What a load of nonsense this "God" character is. It was simply a fairytale told to inquisitive children thousands of years ago when parents were unable to explain how everything started. Noah's Ark is the biggest load of sh*t I have ever heard, how did Noah know to leave the kangaroos in Australia? How did he keep wild animals on an Ark without them killing each other? You know as animals would do due to animal instincts. I think you need to move into the modern world and stop clinging to this ancient cult.

Satan :) xx

We are not accidents: gradually creatures change to survive- zebras are striped to hide in grass, polar bears have reflective fur so they go white and are hidden, stick insects look like sticks so they aren't eaten. The reason trees have rings that show age is because the suns cycle affects its growth and colour so the dark bits are bark layers left behind each spring when the tree resumes growth. If god is almighty, why did he take a week to make the world?

"god cannot prove his existence because proof denies faith, and without faith god is nothing. But if he refuses to proove himself, no one will have faith so he'll be nothing-and god vanished in a puff of logic"

Please, I beg you- stop believing in god- we can't sit idly by and hope god fixes the world from global warming, which will cause HUMAN EXTINCTION, or from anything else- what would eternal life be like, if one day you looked to earth and saw a huge blue ball with a few charred islands, how would you feel? That BILLIONS HAD DIED BECAUSE GOD GAVE THEM FREE CHOICE.
And why do people think that success and wealth should be punished, and humbleness and failure rewarded? Email- Ben@white-mountain.net

The argument of gods existence is not as hard to see all the whole in religion as many believes pretend it to be. Sure, there are holes in Darwinism, but not to the extent of a greater power. Don't get me wrong, i would love their to be a heaven and a greater power, but based on our understanding of physics, science and the universe, it just simply cannot be true. Here is an example of a hole in the argument for the existence of god:
In religion, their is a concept of free will. Free will was something given by god to man, as a way of sort of judging his true character. Our understanding of science explains that their is in fact, no such things as free will. Since the big bang, all particles in the universe were set on a path. These path's could not be altered, and all particles are still on these path's. Now, unless you wish to argue that the human brain is in fact an exception to the laws of physics, then it doesn't make sense for their to be free will. Why would would the particles that make up our brain not be locked into the same path as all the other particles in the universe?
This just an example, but you get my drift, our current understanding of the universe doesn't allow for their to be a greater power, i'm sorry

Excuse me, but you said god let us choose our path in life, and that's why war happens. But how can you explain tsunamis, volcanos and earthquakes? Because if there is or was a god, he would have to do that himself, killing millions of innocent people. Also, why would he make poisonous spiders, or lions, and bears? He didn't. They became deadly so they could more easily kill other creatures for food, meaning they survive better. I see how it would be easy to think it is a god, but that's why the concept arises. Religion is a simple explanation for complex things, and as a good set of morals. These morals are better enforced if they appear to come from an all powerful being. But now it has become a huge devotion of time and money to god and Jesus. But, Jesus WAS REAL. But, he wasn't son of god. In a little Buddhist village in the himalayas is a statue dated to Jesus' time, of a bearded man with holes in his feet. At the age of twelve, it is said Jesus goes to a temple and wows priests with his knowledge of god. But in records, it shows that he vanished altogether till he was 30. In that Buddhist town, he arrived and became wise and holy. He returned, and was famous for 4 years or so, with a following of buddhist monks, the disciples. He is crucified because he is telling the people too much.
People say as an argument to 'I cannot see or feel god' things like 'you cannot touch or smell mars, but you believe it's there.' that is because I can see mars, and will one day be able to touch it. If god wishes everyone believed in him, why doesn't he show himself? Then all would obey and fear him. And why would he let genocide happen on the Jews, his chosen people?( I mean about hitler) he wouldn't. That's why he isn't real.

This was well written. I accidentally came upon this page by looking up other scripture. But after reading this I was blown away. Good stuff!!!! Made me think deeper.

God is 100\% real!
i love the message you wrote!
it will toatally cause people to change there opinions to follow jesus :)
Trust me, deciding to put jesus foward in my life has been the best decsion in my whole life. I'm only 15 years old and It's made me so happy and such a better person in general

I think it's SO wonderful to be knowledgeable on both sides of the story but the fact is you presented both sides of the story completely wrong... First of all atheists don't just not believe in God because bad things happen and 'God' doesn't stop it.. we don't believe in God because there is no proof... ! Yes there is lots of proof that Jesus Christ may have existed and i'm not doubting that but how can your really believe that he performed miracles.. don't you think they would still happen today if they were true? Evolution has 100\% been proven and if you're doubting that then you are seriously ignorant. How could one man create the entire universe.. and let alone all the other universes. The Bible also contradicts itself all the time so then it comes down to what you really believe.. In my opinion it's ridiculous to believe in something with no proof.. and you cannot mistake a miracle for coincidence!

1."I do not believe in things I cannot either, touch, feel or hear."

Wrong. This does not represent the way atheists think. There are things that cannot be touched, felt, or heard that are real. "Do you believe in air?" Yes of course. It can be proven to be there, unlike god.

2."God has so much kindness and respect for us that He lets us decide how we live our lives."

God has so much kindness and respect that he will let people live their lives as they want, only to be thrown into the flames of hell for committing sins and going against him and his word. Kind of messed up huh?

"Even though God loves you so much that He did and would die for you, you must repent be baptized, and follow Gods truth to have eternal life.", It's not actually free will if you have to repent/follow his truth or burn in hell the rest of your eternal life.

3."The worst crime you can do He can forgive."

Rape, murder, or genocide? So I can do anything, and right before I die I repent and I get into heaven!? This is just sad from any point of view.

4."I can prove more that God is real than others can that he isn’t real."

If this were true wouldn't everyone believe in god? I mean, if you can prove he is more real than if he isn't real than you must have some irrefutable evidence to make such a claim! If there were more proof of him existing, then everyone would believe in him. Simple as that.

5. part 1. "If you’re wondering also why if there ‘is’ a God why would there be a war going on right now, or why would the abortion agency still be in business, it’s not because God likes these things,

part 2." but if He didn’t let you choose your own decisions, you’re answer to Him wouldn’t be genuine."

I split this quote into 2 parts because they don't make any reasonable sense together. I'm not even going to refute part one because it make no sense when put with part 2, why you would even type this paragraph I have no idea. Anyway, Part 2, if you didn't have free will then you would have no choice for your answers to be genuine, he would just make you say the truth everytime.

6."If you believe that Evolution or some other ‘creation activity’ rules out God, remember evolution and all others are only theories. God is a FACT and is TRUTH."

He isn't "FACT" nor "TRUTH", nothing proves he exists and nothing proves he is true. He is definitely not fact. If he were fact everyone would believe in god and there would be no doubt at all.

7."You shouldn’t have to question His existence, The Bible is totally true, and there are facts in it that have helped to find artifacts, buried cities, or tombs; that you shouldn’t need to doubt it!"

Bible says that heaven is in the clouds. Is it in the clouds? I see no heaven in the clouds. This proves the bible isn't totally true. There is actually no evidence to support your claim of everything being totally true in the bible. You literally just made that up.

8."God is that He shouldn’t have to come down to this world filled with evil to prove something to the creations that He owns."

God made the Earth, god made the devil, so he in turn made this, "world filled with evil" no? Why would an all loving god create evil? If he is all loving how would he even know what evil is? If god was the only thing in the beginning, and he is all loving and not evil, why would he go out of his way to create evil? Oh so he owns us now? I thought we had free will? Turns out we were owned all along and he may do what he wishes if it goes against our will or not.

9."....He did not do anything in the slightest wrong God is perfect."

When he flooded the world, the bible said he was ashamed of what he created. That isn't perfection. Perfection is getting things right every time. Seem like god did wrong. The bible collapses on itself over and over again if you just pay attention.

10."... the Love He’s showed me through others, is how I can believe in a God I have not seen in physical features."

Other people can't just love you? It has to be god living through them? Are people not capable of loving one another on their own?

Finally you "logical" reasons.

1. god is also just a theory, there is no difference between him and the Big Bang, or Evolution. They are just theorys about how the universe was created or how we came to be. You just happen to believe in the god theory.

2. There is a whole book about a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Their are books on atheism and Islam and Muslims and Jewish faiths. Just because there is a book about it doesn't mean it is true or proven.

3. That's like saying well Harry Potter goes to London, and London is real so that means that w\everything in the book is true! Just because one thing is true (which I have yet to be shown evidence of in the bibles case) doesn't mean that the entire thing is true.

4.Who said it was a mistake? Just because a deity didn't create it doesn't make it a mistake. Nature is beautiful and complex, can't we just leave it at beautiful and complex science, instead of making up magical man in the sky

:)

Thanks for your time. I hope people can really step back and just actually take a look at religion and actually study and see all the faults and mistakes it makes trying to prove itself true.

Peace and Love,

Science

Your arguments don't make sense. I would love to debate you on this. I used to be a Christian but after years of research and reading the Bible I realised that there is no god. The main thing missing is proof. There is no proof of God.
Talkorigins is a great website to get answers from regarding evolution and regarding theistic arguments.
But I think at the heart of your argument is closed mindedness. You have made the decision that God exists and so cherry pick the data to fit what you believe.
What you need to do is start from the null position and see where the actual evidence leads.
You have also misunderstood the word theory.
Evolution is a "scientific theory" just as gravity is a "scientific theory" I have noticed no one is questioning gravity! However we do know that gravity is real, we just don't know everything about it. The same goes for evolution. Anyway if you really want to talk about it, I'd be happy to.

Your arguments don't make sense. I would love to debate you on this. I used to be a Christian but after years of research and reading the Bible I realised that there is no god. The main thing missing is proof. There is no proof of God.
Talkorigins is a great website to get answers from regarding evolution and regarding theistic arguments.
But I think at the heart of your argument is closed mindedness. You have made the decision that God exists and so cherry pick the data to fit what you believe.
What you need to do is start from the null position and see where the actual evidence leads.
You have also misunderstood the word theory.
Evolution is a "scientific theory" just as gravity is a "scientific theory" I have noticed no one is questioning gravity! However we do know that gravity is real, we just don't know everything about it. The same goes for evolution. Anyway if you really want to talk about it, I'd be happy to.